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Rottenapple
08-24-2007, 06:43 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20070824/cm_usatoday/bushhailsfreedombutcanhehandlealousytshirt;_ylt=Ai N452J.k.CM5CcHciCja1Cs0NUE


President Bush's speech at the state capitol in Charleston, W.Va., on Independence Day in 2004, invoked the nation's highest ideals: "On this Fourth of July, we confirm our love of freedom, the freedom for people to speak their minds. ... Free thought, free expression, that's what we believe," Bush told the crowd.

Ringing words. Unfortunately, the White House advance team didn't get the memo. Or the message.

More than an hour earlier, the advance officials, working with local police, had confronted and ejected a young couple who had come to the speech wearing T-shirts that fit any reasonable definition of free expression. The front of both shirts bore the name "Bush" surrounded by a circle with a slash through it; the back of Jeffery Rank's shirt carried the slogan "Regime Change Begins at Home" and Nicole Rank's shirt read, "Love America, Hate Bush."

The Ranks refused demands to take the shirts off, turn them inside out or leave. Though they were on public property and not being disruptive, they were handcuffed, arrested and charged with trespass. The charges were later dropped, and with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, the Ranks sued the White House advance personnel for violating their First Amendment rights.

Last week, the government settled the case, admitting no wrongdoing but agreeing to pay the Ranks $80,000. That avoidable expenditure of taxpayer dollars speaks volumes about who was wrong here.

It would be one thing if the Charleston incident were an isolated case of overzealousness. But it's not. People have been kicked out of a Bush event in Denver because their car bore a "No More Blood for Oil" bumper sticker. Others have been kept out for wearing a Young Democrats shirt. Extraordinary efforts were made to prevent protests from marring the GOP convention in 2004 at which Bush was renominated.

During the Ranks' suit, the White House was forced to cough up a heavily censored copy of its advance manual, which reads like something Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez would love. Among the advice: Advance personnel should ask the local police department to designate a protest area, "preferably not in view of the event site or the motorcade route."

It's vital, of course, that the Secret Service protect the president from physical threats when he appears in public. And it's understandable that the White House wants to have the president speak without disruption from people who disagree with him. But it's important that cloistered presidents know that there are people who disagree with them, and there are disorderly conduct laws to deal with protesters who cross the line.

Dissent is a bedrock of our system. The administration, with its penchant for secrecy and order, never quite gets that and repeatedly tries to draw the line too broadly.

Even people who might be sympathetic toward Bush are tiring of this cavalier arrogance. When he returned to Charleston in 2006 for a fundraiser at a private home, the Secret Service demanded that the local police keep protesters off a bridge the motorcade would cross. Charleston Mayor Danny Jones, a Republican, refused. The Secret Service compromised, and protesters got onto most of the bridge.

If you profess to love "the freedom for people to speak their minds," as Bush told the Charleston crowd in 2004, you have to assume you're not always going to love what they say. Instead of a lengthy manual on preventing and handling demonstrators, Bush's advance people need a refresher course on a somewhat older manual. It's called the Constitution of the United States.

The White House declined to provided an opposing view to this editorial because, according to spokesman Tony Fratto, the Presidential Advance Manual is an issue in two other pending lawsuits.

Torfee
08-24-2007, 08:39 AM
While I agree that certain civil liberties have been trampled over the last 7 years, I can't say I liked this article.

Opinion articles suck. Why do journalists feel the need to opine about the world as they see it? That's not what their job is. Report the facts and personalize the news. It is not a news writer's job to convey their opinions on the public.

Notice this article has no byline? I tried finding it on USAToday.com but had no luck. I generally feel that if you don't have the balls to put your name to writing, then your opinion is usually biased and unable to stand to hard scrutiny.

But, don't take my OPINION on the article to mean that I don't agree. I voted for Bush both times, mainly because I didn't like the alternatives. I can't say I don't regret the second vote.

Enervate
08-24-2007, 09:51 AM
I voted for Bush both times, mainly because I didn't like the alternatives. I can't say I don't regret the second vote.

QFT. Although I'm still glad we got Bush instead of Kerry.

Tarron
08-24-2007, 09:58 AM
Dissent is a bedrock of our system.

I'm glad to see that the mainstream media has finally accepted shadowpriests in raiding...


wait... wut?

Xyebane
08-24-2007, 10:23 AM
i dont understand what was wrong with kerry, sure the right based him a shit ton but i thought it was pretty obvious that it was all a smear campain.

How could anyone believe someone with 3 purple hearts was agaisnt the troops and knew less about war then someone who never really went on any missions is beyond me.

Trouble
08-24-2007, 11:53 AM
There was nothing wrong with him, he just wasn't overly compelling either. I still don't understand why people would choose Bush over him though given Bush's track record at that point.

Enervate
08-24-2007, 12:28 PM
Liberal rhetoric never fails to amuse me. Smear campaign indeed. It works both ways, believe me.

Enervate
08-24-2007, 12:29 PM
And btw, all of our current presidential candidates suck. I will definately not be voting next year.

Rottenapple
08-24-2007, 12:36 PM
This was specifically an Op/Ed, not an article, thats why its opinion. FYI, should have mentioned that.

BTW, I voted for Kerry because my opinion has been that we could find a shit covered piece of used toilet paper that would be a better president than Bush. Everything he tells us turns out a couple years later to be a manipulation, half truth, or outright lie. I don't support either party, I'm pretty open minded and even gave Bush the benefit of the doubt on going to war in Iraq, but after he repeatedly proves his willingness to lie or bed rules to suit his own agenda you have to at some point wake up and smell the roses.

And I agree, all the current candidates pretty much suck, I'll vote for the one least likely to trample on my rights.

Enervate
08-24-2007, 12:49 PM
Better vote for Ron Paul then ;)

Thelastrace
08-24-2007, 02:07 PM
QFT. Although I'm still glad we got Bush instead of Kerry.

Kerry and Kenedy have really destroyed MA politics. I have seen it first hand growing up in Boston and they have not only conned the state but the country (look at the Big Dig). Bush hasn't been great but based on how Kerry has manipulated his way in MA I feel Bush was the best choice.

Jubs
08-24-2007, 02:11 PM
I could care less as long as we dont have a female clinton in the whitehouse. She fucking annoys the hell out of me. @ this point in time anything would be a good change.

Fox
08-24-2007, 02:14 PM
I'm voting for the black guy who's name sounds like he's from Derkaderkastan

Enervate
08-24-2007, 02:15 PM
Barak Hussein Obama

Woo! ;)

Xyebane
08-24-2007, 02:20 PM
enervate, dont get me wrong, im conservative myself. accually ima neo-con.

Thing is, bush isnt conservative. Look at his economic programs, government has expanded so much under the bush admin that to call him convervative is proposterous.

Thats the problem with bipartistan government, only 2 choices.

Draugr
08-24-2007, 02:52 PM
I'm voting for stephanie from lazy town

It's a piece of cake to bake a pretty cake, best campaign slogan ever.

Punkrocker
08-25-2007, 09:35 AM
It's a fact that government has become increasingly invasive into the lives of private citizens. Most people today don't really have a clue as to how far we have strayed from the ideals of 200+ years ago. Step #1 is not letting the government take our money from us at the point of a gun. I'll refer you to the follow two sites:

fairtax.org

boortz.com

Neil Boortz is a local talk show host that's nationally syndicated. He's not politically correct and styles himself as a libertarian. I find myself agreeing with him more than I should.

Torfee
08-25-2007, 03:58 PM
Lewl @ fairtax.org

I see this guy with that shit plastered all over his SUV parked at a restaurant near the station where I work. He reminds me of those guys that drive around with "Steven King Killed JFK!!!" written all over their trucks.

I'm always open to new ideas, but I generally don't bother wasting my time reading something written by a guy that writes a book on the outside of his car.