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Trouble
07-19-2007, 05:49 PM
I posted our WWS for our lurker kill because I was curious if people had any comments. I understand it's a very bad fight for melee but I'm curious about what people have said.

Punkrocker is using SS with Fang of Vashj MH, which is just horrible on all accounts. If he switches to backstab, he'll see and huge DPS increase (He's geared, and has the two best trinkets pre Illidan in Tsunami and DST, there's no way he should be putting out sub 1k DPS). He's also using envemon, which is horrid for any combat spec (you're better off letting the DP tick while dropping a rupture/eviscerate [if bleed immune]). Tell him to get his cycles in line, and his DPS will improve. Also, put rogues in a group with a shaman (enhancement preferrably), and make sure he's using WF along with SoE. Even without the enhancement shaman, it looks like he's using dual deadly, which is inferior to instant MH/deadly OH.

Iamjackzz I can't really tell. He and Punk have roughly the same DPS uptime, and besides trinkets, they're both just about equally geared (except for the boots Iamjackzz is wearing, which are inferior to a level 68 BoE drop you can get for 100g on the AH). They're using the exact same weapons, and at that level of weapon/gear DPS should be significantly higher. His cycles seem off, too, as in a 5 minute fight he only dropped 3 ruptures it looks like (16 ticks over a 5 minute fight), 0 eviscerates/envemons, which means he's using almost all of his combat points to put up SnD. Once again, get him on a proper combat cycle, and he'll see a sizeable DPS increase. And along with Punkrocker, put him in with an enhancement shaman dropping windfury/SoE.

I explained the fact that you spend a lot of the time getting knocked back accounts for some of that, but definitely not all of it. Is this guy onto anything or is there something missing?

http://elitistjerks.com/425537-post1578.html

Trouble
07-19-2007, 06:27 PM
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Looking over all your logs, there is only 1 fight that Punkrocker managed to break 1k DPS (Anetheron). This was still using sinister strike with a dagger mainhand, and using envenom. Granted, I've never fought Anetheron, but if he's bleed immune, he should still be letting DP tick and using eviscerate over envenom. He's got the gear to be contending with Thelastrace, and while he may still get beat out (swords is hax for rogue DPS currently), he'll be putting out a whole lot more DPS. Also, he was getting windfury for this fight, which accounts for a sizable increase in his DPS, and probably helped him break 1k.

I know the logs may not be wholly accurate, but some of these things are really considered sinful in the raiding rogue community, and generally a sign of someone who never bothered to learn to play their class. SS with daggers is awful, there's a reason you pick up Imp Backstab for that build. Now, not everyone may know about combat cycles, and that's fine. But when you do discover them, you wonder how you ever DPS'd before. Since they're both well beyond 2 pc netherblade, try to get them warmed up to a 3s/5s/5r (5e for bleed immune mobs) cycle, and make sure Punk is using backstab, and they'll start putting out much better DPS.

I assume that cycle is 3 slice and dice, 5 slice and dice, 5 rupture.

Draugr
07-19-2007, 06:44 PM
I'm guessing this was an encounter that punk was playing with maces, I just refuse to believe he didn't backstab once with daggers I guess :P

Iamjackzz
07-19-2007, 07:04 PM
Considering I was in basically all blues 3 weeks ago and did 666 dps on Lurker the first time I saw him I feel I’ve made remarkable progress in a very short amount of time (thanks to my guildes :P). As far as my boots are concerned, the ones he’s talking about are the same exact Ilevel as mine. Both are about the best blues you can get for the slot and mine are enchanted. I have tried unsuccessfully twice to upgrade to Black Featherlight Boots off Kaz'rogal. Since that isn’t working out I am planning on crafting Boots of Utter Darkness , but getting the 800ish Knothide Leather I need to power-level Leather Working is taking me some time and hopefully we can get the pattern to drop again or I need to buy it.

The guy who commented from my inspection of his armory as never done the fight so I’ll permit him some latitude in what his expectations are for a rogue’s dps. However, for that fight I was using the cycle that permits the most damage according to my cycle analyzer 3 Slice and Dice/ 5 Slice and Dice/ 5 rupture. It takes roughly one minute to properly perform the cycle so landing 3 ruptures in a 5 minute fight is about on pace with reality. For that fight I knew Bazz wanted to just plow the place to I thought it would be wise to stay out of the water to save healer mana so I took a few more knockbacks than I normally would. Knockbacks combined with the fact my cycle is ridged due to backstabs high energy cost is more than enough for me to lose out on the expected 5 ruptures I get in perfect conditions.

Just for reference TLR was able to pull off 1038 dps on lurker for june 27th I still fill my performance of 900dps is more than respectable for a dagger rogue with no windfury and no consumable for a fight well on the farm. Once last thing being hyper-analyzed by scrubs unlikely to kill hydros let alone Illidan pisses me off a good amount.

Xyebane
07-19-2007, 07:22 PM
uuh, punk BS's with his dagger and SS with mace, lawlz at EJ people

Punkrocker
07-19-2007, 07:37 PM
yeah, I posted on that thread. I wanted to test something and while SSC/Hyjal bosses aren't easy, I figured I could test an offspec with Fool's Bane mh while still maintaining decent dps.

FYI, mace spec is ownage on Banshee's and shadow casters in Hyjal.

All you need to do is look at most boss fights on other nights and you'll see that I am competitive with TLR on the meters, but sword spec is just ownage right now, as you can see from my figures above.

Punkrocker
07-19-2007, 07:39 PM
Once last thing being hyper-analyzed by scrubs unlikely to kill hydros let alone Illidan pisses me off a good amount.

Yeah, what Jack said. ;)

Karnage420
07-20-2007, 09:47 AM
its fucking lurker
who gives a fuck

Trouble
07-20-2007, 02:39 PM
lol funny shit