Punkrocker
10-24-2008, 12:19 PM
From MMO-Champion:
As I have posted a couple of times recently, we decided to raise the armor of level 83 raid bosses by 10% to correct for some dps difference between casters and melee + hunters. I wanted to address the issue head on with the rogues.
We have done a lot of testing recently, and concluded that even with this change, Assassination rogues are likely the top dps spec in the game against single bosses that don't move around a lot (like Patchwerk). This isn't a bad place for them to be. They pay a small price both for being melee (where more damage tends to occur) and for lacking the ability to respec into a non-damage build. We don't think they will be as far above hybrids as they have been before -- as I've posted before, it's very important that hybrid classes do higher dps now that their buffs do not stack.
Combat builds, especially swords, is competitive but probably behind Assassination. This is something we'd like to address, especially if it turns out to be a major difference between the specs. Additional armor does hurt Combat, but also remember it's just raid bosses and not other players (or trash or heroic bosses).
Subtelty, sadly, is just much harder to test since so much of their damage relies on other players. Our preliminary evidence is that they generate plenty of combo points from Honor Among Thieves, but this might mean their personal dps when not in a group suffers. This is something we're still testing.
I will add that some players have wondered if Honor Among Thieves is bugged since the cp can occur more often than 1 sec. In this case, the tooltip is just unclear. When Jimmy the Shaman crits, he cannnot "send you" a combo point more often than 1 per sec. But if you have lots of players critting all the time, you can build them up quickly. So Honor is (here it comes) working as intended.
Link to post:
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/7/11676577982-upcoming-boss-armor-change.html
The last part should explain what you were seeing in raids, Fox. I don't think this is going to make Subtlety raid viable, but played properly with Honor Among Thieves and in the right group it shouldn't be too bad.
I'm anxious to see where combat swords (with legendaries) stacks come level 80, and what might be in place to replace the Illidan swords. I wouldn't mind switching to mutilate at some point, but the competition for daggers is going to be extremely tight since I'm betting most hunters will want them as well as all the rogues, provided a good 2 handed hunter weapon doesn't show up in game.
As I have posted a couple of times recently, we decided to raise the armor of level 83 raid bosses by 10% to correct for some dps difference between casters and melee + hunters. I wanted to address the issue head on with the rogues.
We have done a lot of testing recently, and concluded that even with this change, Assassination rogues are likely the top dps spec in the game against single bosses that don't move around a lot (like Patchwerk). This isn't a bad place for them to be. They pay a small price both for being melee (where more damage tends to occur) and for lacking the ability to respec into a non-damage build. We don't think they will be as far above hybrids as they have been before -- as I've posted before, it's very important that hybrid classes do higher dps now that their buffs do not stack.
Combat builds, especially swords, is competitive but probably behind Assassination. This is something we'd like to address, especially if it turns out to be a major difference between the specs. Additional armor does hurt Combat, but also remember it's just raid bosses and not other players (or trash or heroic bosses).
Subtelty, sadly, is just much harder to test since so much of their damage relies on other players. Our preliminary evidence is that they generate plenty of combo points from Honor Among Thieves, but this might mean their personal dps when not in a group suffers. This is something we're still testing.
I will add that some players have wondered if Honor Among Thieves is bugged since the cp can occur more often than 1 sec. In this case, the tooltip is just unclear. When Jimmy the Shaman crits, he cannnot "send you" a combo point more often than 1 per sec. But if you have lots of players critting all the time, you can build them up quickly. So Honor is (here it comes) working as intended.
Link to post:
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/7/11676577982-upcoming-boss-armor-change.html
The last part should explain what you were seeing in raids, Fox. I don't think this is going to make Subtlety raid viable, but played properly with Honor Among Thieves and in the right group it shouldn't be too bad.
I'm anxious to see where combat swords (with legendaries) stacks come level 80, and what might be in place to replace the Illidan swords. I wouldn't mind switching to mutilate at some point, but the competition for daggers is going to be extremely tight since I'm betting most hunters will want them as well as all the rogues, provided a good 2 handed hunter weapon doesn't show up in game.